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On the Foundations of Quantum Mechanics, The Netherlands

Posted in Complexity, Conferences, Foundations of Physics, New Ideas on November 15th, 2007 by Hector Zenil – Be the first to comment


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Models and Simulations 2
11 – 13 October 2007
Tilburg University, The Netherlands

I attended this conference one month ago. Among several interesting talks, one in particular caught my attention. It was given by Michael Seevinck from the Institute for History and Foundations of Science at Utrecht, The Netherlands. His talk was about the foundations of Quantum Mechanics, and there were many NKS related topics that it brought  to mind. He talked about reconstructing Quantum Mechanics (QM) from scratch by exploring several restricted models in order to solve the so-called measurement problem, to deal with the nonlocality of quantum correlations, and with its alleged non-classicality, there being  no consensus on  the meaning of Quantum Mechanics  (Niels Bohr said once: “If you think you have understood quantum mechanics, then you have not understood quantum mechanics.”—More quotes of this sort on QM here).  The restrictons chosen in order to reconstruct the theory must be physical principles and not  theoretical assumptions. In other words, one approaches the problem contrariwise than is traditional, taking the least possible restrictions and exploring the theories that can be built thereon. The speaker characterized  this approach  as the “study [of]  a system from the outside” in order to ”reconstruct the model”. It is basically a pure NKS approach: “Start from a general class of possible models and try to constrain it using some physical principles so as to arrive at the model in question (in this case QM).”

One can then proceed to ask such questions as how one might identify QM uniquely, what it is that makes QM quantum, what set of axioms in the model is to be used, and which of them are necessary and sufficient? The question of meaning, previously asked of the formalism, is removed, and bears, if at all, only on the selection and justification of  first principles. Seevinck came up with the following interesting statement: “The partially ordered set of all questions in QM is isomorphic to the partially ordered set of all closed subspaces of a separable Hilbert space” (one of Mackey’s axioms in his axiomatisation of 1957). He added: “They (the principles)have solely an epistemic status. The personal motives for adopting certain first principles should be bracketed. One should be ontologically agnostic. The principles should be free of ontological commitment.” And further: “…axioms are neutral towards philosophical positions: they can be adopted by a realist, instrumentalist, or subjectivist.” He cited Clifton, Bub and Halverson who provided the following quantum information constraints used to derive quantum theory:

1. No superluminal information transfer via measurement.

2. No broadcasting

3. No secure bit commitment

Seevinck’s methodology in further detail is: Start with a general reconstruction model with a very weak formalism. Gradually see what (quantum) features are consequences of what added physical principles, and also see which features are connected and which features are a consequence of adding which principle. One thereby learns which principle is responsible for which element in the (quantum) theoretical structure.

One can generate further foundational questions over the whole space of restricted models, e.g.  how many of them:

- forbid superluminal signalling?

- allow nonlocality, and to what extent?

- solve NP-complete problems in polynomial time?

An important question which arises concerns whether intrinsic randomness would be of a different nature in different models or whether all of them would yield to deterministic randomness.

His talk slides are available online. Highly recommended.

Among other interesting people I met was Rafaela Hillebrand, of  the Institute for The Human Future at Oxford University. The Institute’s director, Nick Bostrom, has proposed an interesting theory concerning the likelihood that our reality is actually  a computer simulation. I have myself approached the  question in my work on experimental algorithmic complexity, in particular in my work on  the testability and the skepticism content of the simulation hypothesis. I will post on that subject later. The subject of thought experiments–in which I have an interest– was one that came up frequently.

Kurt Godel: The writings. Université de Lille III

Posted in Computability, Universality and Unsolvability, Conferences, Foundations of Math, Minds and Machines, New Ideas on November 12th, 2006 by Hector Zenil – Be the first to comment

Kurt Godel workshop for studying his legacy and writings. Lille, France, May 19-21, 2006

My thoughts, ideas, references, comments and informal notes:

- The wheel machine, a machine for real computation which I am proposing -as a thought experiment- in a forthcoming paper  on the Church-Turing thesis -Yes, one more paper on the CT thesis!- with comments on Wilfried Sieg’s paper entitled “Church Without Dogma: Axioms for Computability”

- “In case Cantor’s continuum problem should turn out to be undecidable from the accepted axioms of set theory, the question of its truth would loose its meaning, exactly as the question of the truth of Euclid’s fifth postulate in Euclidian geometry did”. Godel replies: “It has meaning anyway, as Euclid’s fifth postulate gave rise to other now accepted mathematical fields.”

- Godel Gibbs Lecture and his dicotomy on absolutely undecidable propositions and the computational power of the human mind (Turing did great work… but he was wrong when he proposed his formal theory as a model of human thought…)

- New contacts and references: Olivier Souan, Rudy Rucker, Karl Svozil

Mark van Atten’s “On Godel’s awareness of Skolem’s lecture”.
Rick Tieszen

- Herbrand on general recursive functions, letter to Godel.

- Leibniz’ influence on Godel’s arithmetization?

- Sources: Godel Editorial Project. Firestone Library, Princeton University. I.A.S. Marcia Tucker, librarian for Godel papers.

- Godel’s concept of finite procedure as the most satisfactory definition of computation. “A machine with a finite number of parts as Turing did” or “finite combinatorial procedure” as a definition of an algorithm, mechanical or computational procedure.

- Computation’s main constraints: boundness and locality (paper from Hernandez-Quiroz and Raymundo Morado).

- Aphorisms and autoreference (Gabriel Sandu and Hinttika)

- Feferman on Turing

- Is Sieg’s paper and the question of “finite machine=effective procedure” a tautology? In fact such an approach seems to be one of the most strict versions of the Turing Thesis, and even though both Church and Turing probably did propose it in such a strict sense, extensive versions of the thesis have traditionaly covered more content, but even when it is strictly stated that there is still space for a thesis, it is neither proved nor provable from my point of view, and most authors would concur, though some clearly would not. I will comment on this more extensively later, since this was one of my Master’s topics and merits a post by itself.

- Putnam’s thought experiment on cutting all sensorial inputs. Solution: It is impossible in practice. However, machines are an example in a sense, and that is why we do not recognize intelligence in them – they are deprived of  sensorial capabilities.

Yes, Godel found an inconsistency in the U.S. constitution. My answer: One? Certainly a bunch. That’s why we need lawyers, who make them even worse.