Posts Tagged ‘Church-Turing thesis’

Seth Lloyd’s quantum universe view

Posted in Complexity, Computability, Universality and Unsolvability, Conferences, Minds and Machines on November 22nd, 2006 by Hector Zenil – Be the first to comment

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In an exchange of emails, Seth Lloyd and I discussed the topic I wrote about some posts ago. Here is some of it.

According to Lloyd, there is a perfectly good definition of a quantum Turing machine (basically, a Turing machine with qubits and extra instructions to put those qubits in superposition, as above). A universal quantum computer is a physical system that can be programmed (i.e., whose state can be prepared) to simulate any quantum Turing machine. The laws of physics support universal quantum computation in a straightforward way, which is why my colleagues and I can build quantum computers. So the universe is at least as powerful as a universal quantum computer. Conversely, he says, a number of years ago he proved that quantum computers could simulate any quantum system precisely, including one such as the universe that abides by the standard model. Accordingly, the universe is no more computationally powerful than a quantum computer.

The chain of reasoning, to jump to the quantum computer universe view, seems to be 1 and 2 implies 3 where 1, 2 premises and the conclusion 3 are:

1 the universe is completely describable by quantum mechanics
2 standard quantum computing completely captures quantum mechanics
3 therefore the universe is a quantum computer.

Seth Lloyd claims to have proved the connection between 1 and 2, which probably puts the standard (or some standard) theory of quantum mechanics and the standard quantum computing model in an isomorphic relation with each other.

Lloyd’s thesis adds to the conception of the Universe as a Turing computer an important and remarkable claim (albeit one that depends on the conception of the quantum computer), viz. that the Universe is not only Turing computable, but because it is constituted by quantum particles which behave according to quantum mechanics, it is a quantum computer.

In the end, the rigid definition of qubit together with the versatility of possible interpretations of quantum mechanics allows, makes difficult to establish the boundaries of the claim that the universe is a quantum computer. If one does assume that it is a standard quantum computer in the sense of the definition of a qubit then a description of the universe in these terms assumes that quantum particles encode only a finite amount of information as it does the qubit, and that the qubit can be used for a full description of the world.

Quantum computation may have, however, another property that may make it more powerful than Turing machines as Cristian Calude et al. have suggested. That is the production of indeterministic randomness for free. Nevertheless, no interpretation of quantum mechanics rules out the possibility of deterministic randomness even at the quantum level. Some colleagues, however, have some interesting results establishing that hidden variables theories may require many more resources in memory to keep up with known quantum phenomena. In other words hidden variable theories are more expensive to assume, and memory needed to simulate what happens in the quantum world grows as bad as it could be for certain deterministic machines. But still, that does not rule out other possibilities, not even the hidden variables theories, even if not efficient in traditional terms.

This is important because this means one does not actually need ‘true’ randomness, the kind of randomness assumed in quantum mechanics. So one does not really need quantum mechanics to explain the complexity of the world or to underly reality to explain it, one does require, however, computation, at least in this informational worldview. Unlike Lloyd and Deutsch, it is information that we think may explain some quantum phenomena and not quantum mechanics what explains computation (neither the structures in the world and how it seems to algorithmically unfold), so we put computation at the lowest level underlying physical reality.

Lloyd’s thesis adds to the conception of the Universe as a Turing computer an important and remarkable claim (albeit one that depends on the conception of the quantum computer), viz.  that the Universe is not only Turing computable, but because it is constituted by quantum particles which behave according to quantum mechanics, it is a quantum computer computing its future state from its current one. The better we understand and master such theories, the better prepared we would be to hack the universe in order to perform the kind of computations–quantum computations–we would like to perform.

I would agree with Rudy Rucker too as to why Seth Lloyd assigns such an important role to quantum mechanics in this story. Rudy Rucker basically says that being a subscriber to quantum mechanics, Lloyd doesn’t give enough consideration to the possibility of deterministic computations. Lloyd writes, “Without the laws of quantum mechanics, the universe would still be featureless and bare.” However, though I am one among many (including Stephen Wolfram) who agree  that it is unlikely that the universe is a cellular automaton, simply because cellular automata are unable to reproduce quantum behavior from empirical data (but note that Petri and Wolfram himself attempt explanations of quantum processes based on nets), there’s  absolutely no need to rush headlong into quantum mechanics. If you look at computer simulations of physical systems, they don’t use quantum mechanics as a randomizer, and they seem to be able to produce enough variations to feed a computational universe. Non-deterministic randomness is not neccesary; pseudorandomness or unpredictable computation seem to be enough.

Kurt Godel: The writings. Université de Lille III

Posted in Computability, Universality and Unsolvability, Conferences, Foundations of Math, Minds and Machines, New Ideas on November 12th, 2006 by Hector Zenil – Be the first to comment

Kurt Godel workshop for studying his legacy and writings. Lille, France, May 19-21, 2006

My thoughts, ideas, references, comments and informal notes:

- The wheel machine, a machine for real computation which I am proposing -as a thought experiment- in a forthcoming paper  on the Church-Turing thesis -Yes, one more paper on the CT thesis!- with comments on Wilfried Sieg’s paper entitled “Church Without Dogma: Axioms for Computability”

- “In case Cantor’s continuum problem should turn out to be undecidable from the accepted axioms of set theory, the question of its truth would loose its meaning, exactly as the question of the truth of Euclid’s fifth postulate in Euclidian geometry did”. Godel replies: “It has meaning anyway, as Euclid’s fifth postulate gave rise to other now accepted mathematical fields.”

- Godel Gibbs Lecture and his dicotomy on absolutely undecidable propositions and the computational power of the human mind (Turing did great work… but he was wrong when he proposed his formal theory as a model of human thought…)

- New contacts and references: Olivier Souan, Rudy Rucker, Karl Svozil

Mark van Atten’s “On Godel’s awareness of Skolem’s lecture”.
Rick Tieszen

- Herbrand on general recursive functions, letter to Godel.

- Leibniz’ influence on Godel’s arithmetization?

- Sources: Godel Editorial Project. Firestone Library, Princeton University. I.A.S. Marcia Tucker, librarian for Godel papers.

- Godel’s concept of finite procedure as the most satisfactory definition of computation. “A machine with a finite number of parts as Turing did” or “finite combinatorial procedure” as a definition of an algorithm, mechanical or computational procedure.

- Computation’s main constraints: boundness and locality (paper from Hernandez-Quiroz and Raymundo Morado).

- Aphorisms and autoreference (Gabriel Sandu and Hinttika)

- Feferman on Turing

- Is Sieg’s paper and the question of “finite machine=effective procedure” a tautology? In fact such an approach seems to be one of the most strict versions of the Turing Thesis, and even though both Church and Turing probably did propose it in such a strict sense, extensive versions of the thesis have traditionaly covered more content, but even when it is strictly stated that there is still space for a thesis, it is neither proved nor provable from my point of view, and most authors would concur, though some clearly would not. I will comment on this more extensively later, since this was one of my Master’s topics and merits a post by itself.

- Putnam’s thought experiment on cutting all sensorial inputs. Solution: It is impossible in practice. However, machines are an example in a sense, and that is why we do not recognize intelligence in them – they are deprived of  sensorial capabilities.

Yes, Godel found an inconsistency in the U.S. constitution. My answer: One? Certainly a bunch. That’s why we need lawyers, who make them even worse.